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		<title>Comment on Computer Adaptive Tests by Pam Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam Gray</dc:creator>
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		<description>I think trend lines using different algorithms have different validity and reliability variables depending on number of data points used.  The trend lines that pop up when I use something like easyCBM may not be as reliable in the beginning as they are later when more data points are used.  The technical specs just don&#039;t mention that little detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think trend lines using different algorithms have different validity and reliability variables depending on number of data points used.  The trend lines that pop up when I use something like easyCBM may not be as reliable in the beginning as they are later when more data points are used.  The technical specs just don&#8217;t mention that little detail.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NASP Workshop 2012 by Pam Gray</title>
		<link>http://rateofimprovement.com/roi/2012/02/24/nasp-workshop-2012-2/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change comes so slowly in my district I am considered to be a lone-star maverick from another planet!  I have taken stat classes, have done an ANOVA by hand, and still own an old mac with Statview installed on it.  None of this seems to matter.  I am talking gibberish to them.  I put together the Excel spreadsheet for all my students and printed graph after graph after graph with ROI statistics at the ready.  I offered to help all the other sped staff and Title folks do the same and I even promised it would take less than 15 minutes to put together their first one.  Was told to cease and desist with such activity.  If I use the linear regression method I could be written up for being insubordinate.  No joke.  And I work in a public school district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change comes so slowly in my district I am considered to be a lone-star maverick from another planet!  I have taken stat classes, have done an ANOVA by hand, and still own an old mac with Statview installed on it.  None of this seems to matter.  I am talking gibberish to them.  I put together the Excel spreadsheet for all my students and printed graph after graph after graph with ROI statistics at the ready.  I offered to help all the other sped staff and Title folks do the same and I even promised it would take less than 15 minutes to put together their first one.  Was told to cease and desist with such activity.  If I use the linear regression method I could be written up for being insubordinate.  No joke.  And I work in a public school district.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Defining Rate of Improvement by Caitlin Flinn</title>
		<link>http://rateofimprovement.com/roi/2011/03/16/defining-rate-of-improvement/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin Flinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ogden certainly influenced how we graph information in a way that allows us to view progress at a glance. I know the &lt;em&gt;Morningside&lt;/em&gt; schools use Standard Celeration Charts in line with Ogden&#039;s Precision Teaching model. There&#039;s a great book about that model by Johnson &amp; Street, &lt;em&gt;The Morningside Model of Generative Instruction: What it Means to Leave No Child Left Behind&lt;/em&gt; for those who are interested in learning how to incorporate Standard Celeration Charts into instructional practice or RTI frameworks. 

As for semi-logarithmic charts vs. equal interval - you are welcome to describe this further!

Tufte is actually quoted in my &quot;school psychology bible&quot; of &lt;em&gt;Best Practices in School Psychology&lt;/em&gt; on page 2117. It says, &quot;Above all else show the data&quot; (1983). There is a chapter in Volume VI of the Best Practices books that is entitled &lt;em&gt;Best Practices in the Display of Data&lt;/em&gt; by Connor Hood and Clark Dorman. Good stuff for educators to review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ogden certainly influenced how we graph information in a way that allows us to view progress at a glance. I know the <em>Morningside</em> schools use Standard Celeration Charts in line with Ogden&#8217;s Precision Teaching model. There&#8217;s a great book about that model by Johnson &amp; Street, <em>The Morningside Model of Generative Instruction: What it Means to Leave No Child Left Behind</em> for those who are interested in learning how to incorporate Standard Celeration Charts into instructional practice or RTI frameworks. </p>
<p>As for semi-logarithmic charts vs. equal interval &#8211; you are welcome to describe this further!</p>
<p>Tufte is actually quoted in my &#8220;school psychology bible&#8221; of <em>Best Practices in School Psychology</em> on page 2117. It says, &#8220;Above all else show the data&#8221; (1983). There is a chapter in Volume VI of the Best Practices books that is entitled <em>Best Practices in the Display of Data</em> by Connor Hood and Clark Dorman. Good stuff for educators to review.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NASP Convention 2011 by Bruce Flinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Flinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen, thank you for comment and questions. We have started our Q&amp;A section with your question and Andy has posted a reply for you which can be found on the following page:
http://rateofimprovement.com/roi/2011/07/18/calculating-roi-for-non-cbm/

We&#039;re happy you found our site as well.

Thanks again. - BruceF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen, thank you for comment and questions. We have started our Q&#038;A section with your question and Andy has posted a reply for you which can be found on the following page:<br />
<a href="http://rateofimprovement.com/roi/2011/07/18/calculating-roi-for-non-cbm/" rel="nofollow">http://rateofimprovement.com/roi/2011/07/18/calculating-roi-for-non-cbm/</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;re happy you found our site as well.</p>
<p>Thanks again. &#8211; BruceF</p>
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		<title>Comment on NASP Convention 2011 by Calculating RoI for non-CBM - Rate of Improvement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calculating RoI for non-CBM - Rate of Improvement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a great question submitted by Jen on 2011/07/15 at 2:57 pm [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Calculating RoI for non-CBM by Andy McCrea</title>
		<link>http://rateofimprovement.com/roi/2011/07/18/calculating-roi-for-non-cbm/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy McCrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen,
 
While the DRA is very popular is some regions and can be useful (in the right hands) as a diagnostic tool, it really does not have the psychometric properties needed to provide any solid insight in terms of student growth - at least as a standalone measure.  I would suggest reading the McCarthy &amp; Christ (2010) test review on the DRA2 for the strengths and weakness.  That being said, many districts/LEAs use the DRA and when it is used in a way that takes advantage of its strengths, it can provide useful information.  Ideally, instead of using only the DRA2  for your assessment tool,  you would want to use it as part of a more comprehensive assessment model; a model that would also include measures with established reliability and validity like AIMSweb or other CBM probes.  A list of tools and their evidence base can be found at http://www.rti4success.org/progressMonitoringTools.   None of these tools are perfect (see Ardoin &amp; Christ, 2009, Ardoin &amp; Christ, 2008, and Christ, 2006); however, when you see a student with low levels and RoI on a CBM AND with low levels and not much change on a DRA AND similar limited results on other evaluations (ranging from State Assessments to classroom/teacher tests &amp; measures, etc.), you can conclude that based on ALL the evidence you have, the student is struggling.  
 
Unfortunately, it sounds like it’s a bit late for debate over what tools should be used, so here are a few things to consider.   Because of the statistical weaknesses of the DRA2, any approach to look at RoI is going to be flawed.  That doesn’t mean you should give up, but rather, keep in mind that your results stand on rather shaky ground.  I have used our RoI via OLS LR approach to look at other assessment results here in PA simply b/c in certain grades we had no other data.  The data we got was very weak, psychometrically, but it did allow us to at least start to understand to what degree students were learning.  We just had to be very careful not to make high stakes decisions based on the results, something you would want to avoid with the DRA2, as well.  This is not the best option, but if you can do nothing else, it’s better than nothing.  
 
To buttress the DRA2 data that you’ll have, you might talk with others in your district about using DIBELS or EASYCBM probes, too.  I think you can still access these at no cost if you are willing to manage the data yourself (via Excel is pretty easy, depending on the size of your district).  If you could pull this off, you could work toward the multi-measurement model mentioned above.  An option here might be to just use the CBM probes for Tier 2 and 3 kids so they can be monitored weekly or every other week.  
 
You’ll see that for the most part I’ve avoided the heart of your question, and that is on purpose.  Trying to use the DRA2 in the way in which your district intends is very much like me trying to use my VW Jetta in a car race.  From the outside, my car doesn’t look all that different from a race car, 4 wheels, an engine, windows, etc. (good face validity!), but when experts who really know cars open up the hood, the very real differences are exposed.  Yes, I can take my car to the track and try to pretend to fit in, but when the green flag is dropped, I will be unable to keep up.  I really don’t think you’re going to have too much luck forcing the DRA2 onto the RoI/student growth race track.  Instead of faking it, try to use it as it can be used best (again, see McCarthy &amp; Christ (2010) for details) and at the same time, look at how other tools can be brought into your garage.  By doing this, you’ll not only be able to race, but also able to drive to work, haul the family around, and even go off-roading every once in a while…
 
Ardoin, S. P., &amp; Christ, T. J. (2009). Curriculum-based measurement of oral reading: Standard errors associated with progress monitoring outcomes from DIBELS, AIMSweb, and an experimental passage set. School Psychology Review, 38(2), 266-283.
 
Ardoin, S. P. &amp; Christ, T. J. (2008). Evaluating curriculum-based measurement slope estimates using triannual universal screenings. School Psychology Review, 37(1), 109-125. 
 
Christ, T. J. (2006). Short-term estimates of growth using curriculum-based measurement of oral reading fluency: Estimating standard error of the slope to construct confidence intervals. School Psychology Review, 35(1), 128-133.
 
McCarthy, A. M. &amp; Christ, T. J. (2010) The developmental reading assessment-second edition (DRA2).  Assessment for Effective Intervention, 35 (3) 182-185.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen,</p>
<p>While the DRA is very popular is some regions and can be useful (in the right hands) as a diagnostic tool, it really does not have the psychometric properties needed to provide any solid insight in terms of student growth &#8211; at least as a standalone measure.  I would suggest reading the McCarthy &amp; Christ (2010) test review on the DRA2 for the strengths and weakness.  That being said, many districts/LEAs use the DRA and when it is used in a way that takes advantage of its strengths, it can provide useful information.  Ideally, instead of using only the DRA2  for your assessment tool,  you would want to use it as part of a more comprehensive assessment model; a model that would also include measures with established reliability and validity like AIMSweb or other CBM probes.  A list of tools and their evidence base can be found at <a href="http://www.rti4success.org/progressMonitoringTools" rel="nofollow">http://www.rti4success.org/progressMonitoringTools</a>.   None of these tools are perfect (see Ardoin &amp; Christ, 2009, Ardoin &amp; Christ, 2008, and Christ, 2006); however, when you see a student with low levels and RoI on a CBM AND with low levels and not much change on a DRA AND similar limited results on other evaluations (ranging from State Assessments to classroom/teacher tests &amp; measures, etc.), you can conclude that based on ALL the evidence you have, the student is struggling.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, it sounds like it’s a bit late for debate over what tools should be used, so here are a few things to consider.   Because of the statistical weaknesses of the DRA2, any approach to look at RoI is going to be flawed.  That doesn’t mean you should give up, but rather, keep in mind that your results stand on rather shaky ground.  I have used our RoI via OLS LR approach to look at other assessment results here in PA simply b/c in certain grades we had no other data.  The data we got was very weak, psychometrically, but it did allow us to at least start to understand to what degree students were learning.  We just had to be very careful not to make high stakes decisions based on the results, something you would want to avoid with the DRA2, as well.  This is not the best option, but if you can do nothing else, it’s better than nothing.  </p>
<p>To buttress the DRA2 data that you’ll have, you might talk with others in your district about using DIBELS or EASYCBM probes, too.  I think you can still access these at no cost if you are willing to manage the data yourself (via Excel is pretty easy, depending on the size of your district).  If you could pull this off, you could work toward the multi-measurement model mentioned above.  An option here might be to just use the CBM probes for Tier 2 and 3 kids so they can be monitored weekly or every other week.  </p>
<p>You’ll see that for the most part I’ve avoided the heart of your question, and that is on purpose.  Trying to use the DRA2 in the way in which your district intends is very much like me trying to use my VW Jetta in a car race.  From the outside, my car doesn’t look all that different from a race car, 4 wheels, an engine, windows, etc. (good face validity!), but when experts who really know cars open up the hood, the very real differences are exposed.  Yes, I can take my car to the track and try to pretend to fit in, but when the green flag is dropped, I will be unable to keep up.  I really don’t think you’re going to have too much luck forcing the DRA2 onto the RoI/student growth race track.  Instead of faking it, try to use it as it can be used best (again, see McCarthy &amp; Christ (2010) for details) and at the same time, look at how other tools can be brought into your garage.  By doing this, you’ll not only be able to race, but also able to drive to work, haul the family around, and even go off-roading every once in a while…</p>
<p>Ardoin, S. P., &amp; Christ, T. J. (2009). Curriculum-based measurement of oral reading: Standard errors associated with progress monitoring outcomes from DIBELS, AIMSweb, and an experimental passage set. School Psychology Review, 38(2), 266-283.</p>
<p>Ardoin, S. P. &amp; Christ, T. J. (2008). Evaluating curriculum-based measurement slope estimates using triannual universal screenings. School Psychology Review, 37(1), 109-125. </p>
<p>Christ, T. J. (2006). Short-term estimates of growth using curriculum-based measurement of oral reading fluency: Estimating standard error of the slope to construct confidence intervals. School Psychology Review, 35(1), 128-133.</p>
<p>McCarthy, A. M. &amp; Christ, T. J. (2010) The developmental reading assessment-second edition (DRA2).  Assessment for Effective Intervention, 35 (3) 182-185.</p>
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